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The Complexities of Like

My dad and I were sitting over the ruins of a holiday feast. I paused in whatever I was expounding upon to correct my own grammar, and thence was launched an interesting foray into one of the complexities of the English language.

 

Here’s what I said that gave me pause:

People, like you and I, want to visit such a place.

 

I needed a moment to think about whether it was “you and me” or “you and I.” “You and I” is correct because “people” includes “you” and the speaker (me), so the subject is the same and the case is the same. I wouldn’t have had the question at all, if I hadn’t tried to include my dad.

 

This is correct:

People like me want to visit the place.

 

So why doesn’t the same subject rule apply for “like you and I”?

 

The reason is that the word “like” takes a different form in each of those sentences. We were perplexed by this inconsistency, so we pulled up the dictionary. Hold onto your hats: I think you’re about to be very surprised. The word “like” has nine functions!

 

Verb: to be suitable or agreeable (I am fond of tomatoes but they don’t like me); to feel attraction toward or enjoy (I like Mozartkugeln); to feel toward (I would like to visit); to wish to have (I would like more Mozartkugeln); to do well in (I like to live in SF). (Note that verbs and their definitions involve the word “to” in their infinitive form. If you can apply “to” without changing the meaning, it’s a verb.)

 

Verb intransitive: to approve (if you like it); to feel inclined (you can come over any time you’d like).

 

Adjective: the same or nearly the same (houses of like design).

 

Preposition: similar to (it’s like a dream); approximating (it takes something like three teaspoons); comparable to (acts like a big shot); as though there would be (it looks like it might snow); such as (a tool like a hammer); and it’s used to form intensive or ironic phrases (fought like crazy, like hell you say).

 

Noun: one that is similar or a counterpart (never seen the like before); of a kind, usually used with a preceding possessive (put him and his like in a cell); one of many that are similar to each other, used chiefly in proverbial expressions (like breeds like); and so on, et cetera (empty boxes and the like).

 

Noun, the likes or the like of: such people or things as (people the likes of you, poets the like of Pope); the kind or sort of (a party the likes of which had seldom been seen).

 

Adverb: probably (you’ll blow it, like as not)

 

Interjection and adverb: as emphasis or to create a pause (it was, like, all messy); as an apologetic, vague, or unassertive effect (I need to, like, interrupt for a minute); before a general dimension (it was like five feet long).

 

Conjunction: as if (they look like they might enjoy it); as an intensifier (drove like mad, hurts like crazy); in a similar way (they eat it like candy); in the way or manner that (the gown looks like a prom dress should, did it like you told me); with “it’s” to report a generally held opinion (it’s like, who cares if we’re late); such as (it’s a bag like Linda carries).

 

Verbal auxiliary: came near (I laughed so hard I like to fell off my chair). This is archaic and not commonly used anymore.

 

There are lots of words based on like, like: likely, likeable, likelihood, liken, likeness, and liking, some of which can be used in place of the less likely forms in my list above, as can the words as, as if, such as, or an entirely different construction altogether.

 

Webster’s provides a lovely little usage guide that proclaims that “like has been used as a conjunction since the 14th century… [it was later] used in serious literature but not often, and [more recently it has grown quite common]….Grammarians [wrangled] over whether it was a preposition [as well as a conjunction] until the middle of the 19th century.

 

Isn’t that something? Such a common little word has so much power.

 

Definitions are from Webster’s Collegiate Dictionary, Eleventh Edition, examples are mine alone.

 

You can find these blogs, a little information about my editorial services and me, and a collection of pages about my “real” life on my Web site, www.MelanieSpiller.com.

 

 

Published Tuesday, February 14, 2006 1:12 PM by spiller

Comments

# re: The Complexities of Like @ Tuesday, February 14, 2006 11:07 AM

Imagine the constrution 'be +like' as a marker of reported speech--it is often followed by reported speech matched with significant amounts of facial and gesture recreations, intonation, and general 're-enactement' of the speech being reported.

Anonymous

# re: The Complexities of Like @ Tuesday, February 14, 2006 11:54 AM

Do not forget about the eleventh usage of like found in the contemporary teenager idiom, that is a particle that can be inserted into any grammatical position within a sentence (e.g. I like ran all over like the town to find like something like what I like wanted).

Anonymous

# re: The Complexities of Like @ Tuesday, February 14, 2006 12:06 PM

NO! "People, like you and I, want to visit such a place" is wrong wrong wrong. Would you say "People, like we, want to visit such a place"? Of course not. The commas don't change the case of the pronouns! Or is it the number that's confusing you? Why do you think that a plural takes a difference case than a singular pronoun? It's "People like you and me" or "People like us" or "People like Karen and me," or whatever. The commas do nothing but indicate an appositive. You wouldn't say, "People, like I," would you? The word "like" is not functioning as a conjunction in either of the examples you gave; it's a preposition, and thus it takes an object pronoun. The same would be true if, instead of "like," you used "including" or "except for" or "such as."

Anonymous

# re: The Complexities of Like @ Wednesday, February 15, 2006 2:27 AM

Like, cool! ;)

Anonymous

# re: The Complexities of Like @ Wednesday, February 15, 2006 6:25 AM

"I laughed so hard I like to fell off my chair"

Not that I profess to know much of archaic usage but wouldn't this go:

"I laughed so hard I *was* like to *fall* off my chair"

Anonymous

# re: Karen's comment @ Wednesday, February 15, 2006 6:31 AM

I concur.

However, it goes a step further. What I believe the original argument is, is that in the case of "People, like you and I, want to visit such a place", the construct "like you and I" is serving as an example of People. Another example of this sentence structure is "Dogs, like retrievers and labs, are loyal animals".

In this -- albeit strange and a bit grammatically perverse -- approach, I see no harm in saying "People, like I, are mortal".

Anonymous

# re: Karen's comment @ Wednesday, February 15, 2006 5:00 PM

I intuitively feel that Karen's comment is correct. Even though the "like" bit describes "People," it doesn't have to take the subject form just because "People" is a subject. I don't think you'd say "People, for instance I, want to visit such a place." I think you'd say "People, for instance me (or reflexive myself?), want to visit such a place." Since "for instance" acts like "like," it seems you wouldn't use "I" there, either.

Anonymous

# re: The Complexities of Like @ Thursday, February 16, 2006 4:49 AM

Yeah, you're right, I think. I was trying too hard to find a way might work.

Anonymous

# re: The Complexities of Like @ Thursday, March 16, 2006 4:36 PM

Completely wrong - break it up into "People like you and people like I... and it makes no sense. Should be "me" as in "People like you and people like me ... !!

Anonymous

# re: The Complexities of Like @ Friday, April 07, 2006 3:16 PM

My usage-advisor )rthogrowlficus phoned me and asked me to comment to you on your fine post exploring the meanings of "like" in the semantic settings you devised. One should not that the meaning shifts also when spoken, as in "people like y-o-u" and "people l-i-k-e you" - but of course it's not just emphasis only. Take for instance people like Bev who thinks the matter's aced when there's a break-up "into 'People like you and people like I don't like you like people who like people like you." I don't think all things r+t to the ear are analyzable strictly. "People like you and I don't like people..." sounds write. "People like you and me don't like everybody" sounds wrong, but it communicates and can't be called incompetent, yet it may not be called elegant, I would say.

Anonymous

# re: The Complexities of Like @ Tuesday, April 11, 2006 10:25 PM

Re last comment from Semaphore etc about shift of meaning:

I like it a lot!

Anonymous

# re: The Complexities of Like @ Wednesday, June 07, 2006 2:32 PM

As I wrote back in February, this post is wrong. I saw that it had been updated, but it's still wrong. It is NEVER correct to use a subject pronoun ("I") after "like."

Anonymous

# re: The Complexities of Like @ Wednesday, July 19, 2006 7:26 PM

Karen's right -- in this useage, "like" is a preposition, so it takes objective case. (Rul o' thumb: "like" is a preposition when you can imagine substituting "such as")

Excellent discussion of use of "me" and "myself" after "like" (etc.) on the Language Log here:

http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/~myl/languagelog/archives/002458.html

Anonymous

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